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  1. Subject: the mother of all STUDs, Fri, 10 May 2002 12:19:16 -0700
  2. Subject: The Rules of Stud - Appropriate use ? Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:51:54 +1100
  3. Subject: RE: The Rules of Stud - Appropriate use ? Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:02:52 +1100
  4. Subject: stud Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:13

Back to the Rules!.

#30 -the mother of all STUDs

 Subject: the mother of all STUDs
 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:19:16 -0700
 From: Thomas Laramee laramee "at" pobox.com
 To: laramee "at" vrvis.at

 so i'm sitting in Vivache indoor (cafe) minding my own beeswax (myob),
 and this woman is sitting near me ranting about this film class she's in.
 some select quotes:

  "the class is called Film and Video, video apparently being television.
   what a bunch of bullshit crap waste of my time it is to talk about
   television. what does television have to do with film anyways? i don't
   even watch TV!"

  (you knew that last comment was coming)
  
	"i look at the students in the class as an impediment to my
   advancement, not as helping me out in any way"
  
	"i present ideas that are totally avant-garde while the rest of the
   students are talking about what television shows they like the most
   and why..."

 i've never heard anyone say "my ideas are so avant-garde" before.
 it's kind of a shocking display of ego if you think about it... 'specially
 w/r/t a creative film class.

 *  avant garde
 *  n : artists or writers whose ideas are ahead of their time

 i deeply regret not giving her a THE QUEEN, accompanied by
 a brain-hemorrage-inducing (my brain that is) ostensible display
 of the Guns, as this, and probably more, was indeed warranted.

 sincerely
 --tom
response: Damn that's a good story. I've met people like that before.

#31 -The Rules of Stud - Appropriate use ?

 From: Gilbert, Sean SGilbert@raytheon.com.au>
 To: rlaramee "at" yahoo.com
 CC: Strong, Russell RStrong "at" raytheon.com.au, Barnes, 
     Mark MBarnes "at" raytheon.com.au
 Subject: The Rules of Stud - Appropriate use ?
 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:51:54 +1100 

 Robert
 
 I have recently begun to use "stud" at work and I have a question as to 
 appropriate use. The question stems from my comment over a Dilbert Cartoon. 
 The text of the cartoon goes like this .......

 Carol: A man from "Loser Magazine" wants to see you

 Carol: He said something about featuring you on the cover
 Wally: Send him over

 Carol: I tried but he keeps going to the break room and napping
 Wally: I hate show-offs

 Now, I passed this email on to a few workmates who are also new to The Rules 
 and stated that Wally's last line could be replaced with "stud" (referring to 
 the man from the magazine not Carol).
 They disagree and now I'm not so sure. I checked The Rules (V2.5) and it is 
 not explicitly excluded but Wally would be applying stud to a 3rd party.  The 
 only hint in the rules which might disallow this is the fact that the 3rd party 
 does not have the chance to respond because he/she does not know that stud is 
 being used.
 
 My question is - can you apply stud to a third party.
 
 Thanks
 Sean

Sean Gilbert                Raytheon Australia Pty Ltd 
Senior Systems Engineer     Naval & Maritime Integrated Systems 
+61 2 8870 6504 office      50 Waterloo Road 
+61 2 8870 6599 fax         PO Box 165 
sgilbert "at" raytheon.com.au    North Ryde NSW 2113 
                                 Australia
response: I also read that Dilbert cartoon. Scott Adams is a genius. How about the toxic co-worker? The illustration is really disgusting (well done).

This is a good question. Indeed, Stud can apply to a third party. This should be appended as another explicit rule, for sure. Well done in your observation. One recommendation I have is that when applying stud to a third party, make a verbal distinction. Taking the Dilbert example, Wally could say, "What a stud." If he says "Stud." only, the listener may get confused by the ambiguity. In other words, we make it clear to Carol that we are referring to the representative of Loser Magazine and not her. (Forget that she is a woman for simplicity.) This part of the discussion is simple, however, as the follow-up email indicates, the whole issue of stud as it applies to a third party raises some real complexity.

-cheers, bob

#32 -RE: The Rules of Stud - Appropriate use?

 From: Strong, Russell RStrong "at" raytheon.com.au>
 To: Gilbert, Sean SGilbert "at" raytheon.com.au, rlaramee "at" yahoo.com
 CC: Barnes, Mark MBarnes "at" raytheon.com.au
 Subject: RE: The Rules of Stud - Appropriate use?
 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:02:52 +1100 

 I have some other concerns:
 
 1. Can the arrogance of the "man" be determined by wally, since wally doesn't
    know the reasons behind the man's behaviour.  The man may suffer from
    narcolepsy, and wally would not know that.
 2. If the arrogance can't be determined first hand, should the use of stud be
    considered?  How much evidence is required?
 
 Russell
response: With only two people involved, the answers to these questions are fairly straightforward and are covered under Rule #2: Appropriateness of Use, "An appropriate declaration (of Stud.) must announce the speaker's arrogance." Obviously, this rule was written for the case of only two active parties. Furthermore, Wally is free to decide if it is appropriate to use or not. Some important elements we are missing from the Dilbert strip are (1) tone of voice and (2) non-verbal cues like body language. These are two important elements we normally have at our disposal whan determining appropriateness of use.

However, when there are three parties involved, namely, the Stud-the third, non-present party, the (let's say) middle-man-who contributes a declaration of arrogance, and the listener-who declares "What a Stud.", the matter increases in complexity exponentially. And surprisingly, it happens fairly often. The reason behind the complexity lies primarily within the (sometimes hidden) agenda of the middle-man, i.e., that person who brags on behalf of someone else, usually not present. We consider the following senarios:

  1. Is the middle-man trying to arouse envy directed towards himself or herself for (supposedly) knowing the Stud? As in, "You should envy me because I hang out with a Stud."
  2. Or, is the middle-man trying to arouse envy directed towards the original Stud? i.e., "You should envy that Stud."
  3. Or is the middle-man trying to actually arouse hostility directed towards the non-present Stud? e.g., "You (listener) should also think that this Stud is an arrogant bastard."
  4. There is a fourth senario and that is when the middle-man is actually attempting to arouse self-directed hostility. That is, "I (middle-man) am trying to piss you (the listener) off via my boasting." The middle-man is just using an innocent, non-present, third party in order to fulfill their own agenda. This senario actually happens sometimes.
Thus, the key to addressing this situation is to identify the intent of the middle-man. What in the world is this speaker trying to accomplish by bragging on behalf of a third party? For each senario, we recommend the following responses:
  1. "Stud," directed toward the middle-man, or optionally "Studs," for both the middle-man and the third party.
  2. "What a Stud," for only the third party
  3. "What a Stud," for the third party again and
  4. "Stud," for the middle-man only
respectively. Sometimes, the middle-man even has overlapping intentions, that is, a hybrid agenda composed of more than one of the senarios above, making the situation down right baffling for the audiance. And, we haven't even begun to address the motive of the middle-man. What causes one person to brag on behalf of another? The real answer to that question we may never find. In general, I have found it frustrating to determine the real intention of the middle-man. Therefore, by default I issue, "Studs" to cover all the bases.

-cheers, bob

#33 -Stud

 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:13 -0800 (PST)
 From: "Dave Greten" davegreten "at" yahoo.com
 Subject: stud
 To: rlaramee "at" yahoo.com

 I'm sick and have had nothing to do for the past
 couple of days besides read things in between blowing
 my nose and coughing.  So I figured what better time
 to read over the rules of stud again.
 
 Not sure if you heard about this one but I'd like to
 throw it into the general stud discussion.  A certain
 prominent three star general in the Bush
 Administration named Boykin, recently drew criticism
 for speaking engagements to Christian groups where he
 said, something to the effect, he had nothing to worry
 about in the war against terrorism because "My God
 (Christian god) is bigger than their God (Allah)."
 
 No doubt this is an arrogant statement on a
 (literally) divine scale.  But doesn't studding
 someone for this statement sound somewhat weird? 
 Perhaps stud is best applied to statements of physical
 or mental prowess rather than statements of religious
 certitude (ie, professions of faith)?  Isn't there a
 certain measure of pride associated with saying "My
 God is the only true God"?  

 It sure would be funny to hear someone stud the Pope.

 Thoughts?  I'm not sure how I feel on the issue.

 -Dave

 =====
 www.dgreten.com
response: Sorry to hear about the cold Bones. i just got past one myself.

This is in interesting can of worms you're playing with Bones. Look at all those controversial (ugly) themes you've thrown in there: The Bush Regime, religion, hubris, the Pope. i congradulate you for being able to unify these themes under one common framework! (namely The Rules of Stud)

Indeed, statements like "My God is bigger than your God," certainly warrent a "Stud". However, that's a wee bit of a knee jerk reaction. Sometimes, arrogant statements are so ridiculous that they do not even deserve a stud. For example, if someone said, "I am as strong as Superman". As a knee jerk reaction, one might say, "Stud". But if you think about it a little longer, it's just too damn silly to even bother. And i think the, "My God is bigger than your God" falls into this category, just too damn silly to even bother. (Keeping in mind that i have not heard the full context)

-cheers, bob